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Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign....
I watch the BBC World News every morning, I feel it gives me a global perspective.
I saw the comments made by Barrack Obama about the McCain/Palin ticket which went something like "You can put lipstick on a pig, and it's still a pig" and apparently it offended the sensibilities of the Republican party.
And after watching the comments several times, Obama NEVER directed those comments at Palin specifically. Now I KNOW that it is only women that wear lipstick
( well some men do apparently).
BUT Obama used that expression before in September 2007 when referring to General Petraeus and George Bush's plans for Iraq and there was NO woman involved....
In fact it's an old expression used by McCain himself in last October regarding Hilary Clinton's healthcare reform...
And....Palin herself made a pit bull/hockey mom comparison including lipstick....
How can the Republicans accuse the Democrats of being insensitive when the same kind of comparison was made by one of the candidates itself? And those comments were directed at Clinton last year by McCain. I will admit that I was shocked but they showed her comments from her speech and that caused me to think more about the use of those comment on both sides....
I can see why the Democrats fired back accusing the republicans of using sexist arguments.
You should not use a comment repeatedly and then get upset when the other side uses it against you, I am not sure an apology is warranted here.
Frankly I am getting tired of these NASTY attacks from BOTH sides.. while engaging in dirty tactics themselves...
Apologies for Blog hogging this morning but that kind of hypocrisy get my blood a boiling....
Joan

Published Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:22 AM by DruidsGlenTarot

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# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:39 AM


I agree my friend.  I want to give both sides a listen.  But watching two gangs fight each other is not a flattering way to see people at their best. I am so sick of watching the name calling and defensive come backs....the whose more popular....and who do I want to stand next to.  Yuck.

It reminds me of all the pathetic interactions I watched in High School...and my answer then was to get away from BOTH sides.  I understand this is politics.....the dynamic that makes work, school, churches and even friendships split apart.  I also understand it’s needed for Office.  But I am sick to death of it all.  

SisterOthelia

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:43 AM

It is only becoming a slanderous election because most people love drama. The candidates would not do it if no one was entertained by it. It is the public as a whole that decides the behavior of the candidates. Let's face it. The dems were low key but after the RNC came out swinging and people loved it, so the pace is set for agression. It is better than Jerry Springer!
We as a whole have lost site of the issues and we care more about their personal lives and it has led to inaccurate attacks, etc.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:46 AM

I feel that IF one side uses a comment about a woman, and yet demands an apology from the other side when they have used that same comment about a situation involving men ONLY  and a man/woman team, they are being hypocritical...
It just how I see it ...
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 6:50 AM

Dear Joan:

This is politics as usual and I think that the mudslinging is going to get worse this election.  Whenever one party or the other gets a little edgy then they all turn into guttersnipes in my opinion.  They are just all vying for attention even if it is the wrong kind.  I am sick of it already and I am praying for November to get here in a hurry!

Rosie

Rosalea

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:00 AM

I do not agree that the public likes drama, from my perspective people are getting tired of the tactics used in this campaign. That's why I wrote this blog to speak about how tired people are getting of these type of low life tactics being employed by both sides.
In politics and my personal life I try to steer clear of drama, and give a wide berth to anyone who engages in such behavior.
I have not lost SIGHT of the issues I want to see addressed by the candidates.
I want to see equal opportunities for male and female employees, so my daughter and son can make a good living for themselves and be equally paid.
I want the large amounts of money paid to CEO's to be watched and monitored so that people do not lose their pension funds and the CEO's still keep their bonus's.
I want illegal immigration tackled. So states are not giving them FREE housing, healthcare, and welfare.  
I want some kind of control over mortgages and mortgages companies so that people are not conned out of their homes, to help them be better aware of exactly what they are signing when they do take out a mortgage.
I want AFFORDABLE health care for ALL Americans.
I do not care about the personal life of ANY of the candidates.... the media bring those things to our attention....I simply change channel....
no drama there :-)
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:22 AM

The recent polls show that people are not voting according to issues. Several news outlets did various polls to show that people are voting for candidates based on their gender or race. What people forget is that the candidates are a reflection of the population that they serve. Men are voting for Palin because she is pretty. Several polls show this sad trend. So many people are busy being worker bees until they do not have time to know what a candidate stands for. Sad but true.
If you think about it, Palin gave a very condescending speech and she never stated who she was. She attacked and people loved it. People love it when politicians are ruthless.We have not heard much about issues but yet peopel have their minds made up on who they will vote for.
Polls showed that some are voting for Obama because he is black and others are not voting for Obama just because he is black. The same goes for gender. So many women will vote for Palin just because she is female. The candidates know it. That is why there is a scream of sexism.
Every person will lie and say that they do not like the drama but yet people are tuned in to this campaign just for the drama. Palin will npot answer questions without a script but yet people love her. Go figure. We are not acting aware. We are as a whole caught up in the drama.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:35 AM

Polls are never accurate, no matter WHO takes them. They always refer to the margin of error after they give the poll numbers. How can that be accuracy?
And when you speak about *we* you do not speak for me.....and most of my friends...I have not made my mind up, same with most of the people I discuss these things with. NO matter who gets in this election is ground breaking, the first black candidate and while not the first woman to run in a presidential campaign, there is again a possibility for a woman to break that glass ceiling in place.
And when I say I do not care for drama, that is NOT a lie.  Not crazy about you inferring that  it is either, it crosses the line in my humble. I am speaking MY truth. It appears that some people do not care for the opinions of others and put them down when they are different to their opinions.
I never watch reality shows, they appear staged to me, and overly dramatic and I do not care for the way the campaign is being run, that is why I wrote this blog....
I am nor never will be a worker bee, I have always done my own thing and I stand by my beliefs. I can respect the beliefs of others, and have had my opinion changed by those who can state their opinions succinctly, not to mention respectfully as well clearly especially when they do not attack me or mine for being different....
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 7:44 AM

One more thing. mc cain did a commercial stating that obama supported sex ed for kindergartners but the bill that obama supported was to protect children from pedophiles. mc cain knew that he could distort the truth because us everyday people are too busy to investigate. it is how the candidates percevieve us. as too busy to know better.
i feel like mc cain just lost credibility with me by making this deceptive ad. it speaks for his character but i would not know that he lied if i did not check things out.
it is sad but true. we are all so busy andwe play into the hands of these candidates.
think about it. most amercians are losing their homes, their jobs and 1.85 million have filed bankruptcy due to medical bills. we as a whole are too busy for the truth. yes us keen advisors have more time than most people but we are not the real population. most people leave their home and are tied to a job for 8 hours a day.
it is up to every person to know what is going on. unfportunately too many of us do not have time. joan you are investigating but not many people are. and yes polls can be inaccurate as to the number of people, but still people are voting for the wrong reasons.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 8:15 AM

I am like the little old lady in an old Wendy's commercial *where's the beef?*
And the ability to google someone takes the leg work out of researching ANY issue. At the click of a button, you can look up a point of interest, in fact many people do that while they are on the clock at their 9 to 5 jobs :-) We cannot complain about  the government if we do not do our homework and learn all we can about what the ones we vote for really stand for, campaign dirty tactics aside.
And like I have already pointed out, the health care crisis in this country is a disgrace for one so wealthy and it HAS to be taken care of.
And while many Americans are losing their homes, it is not MOST of them that it is happening to.
Politicians will in the long term be punished by their voters for thinking they are naive. It happened in Ireland recently when a treaty called the Lisbon treaty was rejected by the voters because it had not been properly explained to the general public. The polls suggested that people did not like voting for something the government had not explained to them, they had pushed it to please the E.U. That treaty to streamline European affairs is now blocked by the people of Ireland who were annoyed at their government and it showed in their votes...that will delay the entire process in unification of Europe.   People do not like to be thought of as uneducated, it's insulting....
People can vote for whomever they choose, they are under no obligation to explain to anyone why or how they chose whom they chose. Party loyalty can play a big role here, and registering your party loyalty is one aspect I am not a fan of... That is all part and parcel of the democratic process, the ability to vote for WHOMEVER you like... and no one can blanket judge that your reason for choosing that person was in fact wrong. Ain't democracy grand?
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 11:55 AM

Thanks for saying it!  As soon as Karl Rove,the spawn of Lee Atwater, gets involved things take nasty turn...How else to take the focus off the real issues.  

MaryAnneT

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:05 PM

Dear Joan:

Since the beginning of the vote people have been voting with their own needs and pocketbook in mind.  That is normal.  To say they are voting for the wrong reasons really means that they are voting according to their beliefs and not mine.  I can understand that but what I cannot stomach is the way that politicians manage to lie and people are not wise enough to check it out.  Joan I applaud you for doing a little research and seeing the political game for what it is.  Carl Rove is an abomination in my books and should be prosecuted for the criminal that he is but I doubt if the politicians in the Senate or Congress will see to that.  He has even avoided a subpoena from the US congress and got away with it.  So much for the constitution as far as the Republicans go.  

Rosie

Rosalea

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:22 PM

any time a person votes for a candidate based on gender or race and not issues, that is the wrong reason. people can vote on their belief of their issues but race and gender is suppose to be a non issue.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 12:50 PM

Democracy says we can vote for whom we choose based upon our own choices and based upon our freedom to do so. I do not agree with your broad judgmental statement that peoples choices regarding why they choose one candidate over another should be for the reasons YOU think and not the reasons THEY think.  
It says that what YOU think is right and what others think because their choices were for what you classify as not being a valid reason were not right. People are under NO obligation to explain to me or anyone else WHY they made that choice. That's why we have curtains on the voting booths. Democracy says we can vote for anyone based upon gender, race, issues, party, and that is the great thing about democracy... the POWER of choice.....once you close that curtain, YOU are in control....

Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:09 PM

you did a blog stating that the media was sexist and that was was offensive now you say sexism is ok. which one is it. i do not know why i bother commenting.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:26 PM

No where did I say that sexism was okay or even acceptable in this blog, but it DOES exist in today's society. I said it is not for us to say why others make the choices they make regarding whom they vote for. Democracy says once we close that curtain, the power and choice was yours, and if YOU choose to make that mark on the paper because of someone's sex, color, race, who is to say they are wrong and YOU are right? I said they were entitled to THEIR choice, that does NOT say I agree with it.
There IS a difference. I said people can vote by their own conscience, it is THEIR choice, not mine and not yours. We see things very differently.
It is not for me to say you should not vote for Obama because he is black or Palin because she is a woman. Those opinions do not say on any level that I think sexism is acceptable...
Joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Thursday, September 11, 2008 3:22 PM

After reading all these comments, I'm feeling like a similar pattern has developed here that reflects the opposing forces between the two campaign parties. I respect everyone's opinion, I just find it disconcerting for those of us who advise people even though I recognize we are all human and have our own beliefs, to reflect so much animosity towards each other in a public forum.
Wishing you all Peace & Blessings,
Julie

GiftedReadingsbyJulie

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:02 PM

Julie, I have a bigger issue with us advisors pretending to be loving when we are not. I come from honesty which is lacking a lot in comments. I write not to win callers but to speak my truth. I learned long time ago that in this fishbowl, there can onl be truth. The facade of " love one another" I find that callers know that we are human. what is spiritual? I do not know what that means. Is it to hide who we are? I refuse to do such thing.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:17 PM

What is truth to one person is not truth to another. What is honesty to one person may not in fact be honesty to someone else. Two people can see an issue from different perspectives and neither is wrong.
One really should not say that the comments of another are lacking honesty, that is akin to calling them a liar. That is not being respectful of the opinions of another on any level. I may not share the opinions of others, but I never delete comments, and I may respond and perhaps my words are taken as harsh but they are never meant to be, it is perhaps the way I write. But I do find that some people take meaning out of blogs and comments that are not there at all.
There is no pretense in my blogs, my truth spoken in plain English. Others may not share those opinions, and they're welcome to state their opinions and those opinions will not be ridiculed.
joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:23 PM

The one thing I do really like about you is that you do not delete comments to control your blog. that is commendable. I have had so many advisors wanting me to delete their comments out of fear of what the callers will think. I tell people think before they write. I only delete sexually explicit comments. But the rest of the comments stays.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Thursday, September 11, 2008 5:37 PM

Blogs and forums give is the opportunity to share our opinions about life and readings and that is wonderful. Now doing so while showing respect for the differing opinions seems to continue to elude ....
joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Friday, September 12, 2008 1:58 PM

Donna, Whatever I share in this or other blogs, I say from my heart.  I'm sharing my observations and stating my honest opinion. I'm all for differing opinions and expressing them but I think it can be done without offending others, that's all. Joan, I agree with you!
Blessings & Peace,
Julie

GiftedReadingsbyJulie

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Friday, September 12, 2008 5:00 PM

Julie, I just have a real problem with people who speak in politically ( spiritually) correct terms when they are not speaking their truth. No one can be offended unless they choose to be. i have blogged normal comments and was nice and still had people try to insult me. it is just life. The reason why people lie and never say what  they really think is for fear of offending a person. it creates an atmosphere of dishonesty that i do not want ot be a part of.i choose to be tru to myself.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Friday, September 12, 2008 8:56 PM

Just got to your blog Joan how far off track it went, ha ha! Not surprising though, (drama)there are those and these that just absolutely love it!  Whats that saying, opinions are like a**h**** EVERYONE has one :)

Your political Blogs are very good for they just do not shatter one side but, open minds to get razzled up a bit..Fawn had a great one too. You just love those certain blogs that have wealth of heart centered truth, and a warm and fuzzy feeling to them, I know when readers are searching they are looking for "solid" honesty that you can really count on. You can always count on that from you, you know many, many, clients and readers know that about you.
You are loved dearly :)
Hugs- Donna
ps. Isn't  great to be nice and heartfelt, loving and not just phoney about it. I mean really care about people and learn good behaviors and make changes!! Makes your heart go pitter patter..

GIFTED11

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Saturday, September 13, 2008 5:49 AM

What is truth to one is not truth to another.
One can choose to be insulted where others may not have intended insult and no one can say what's truth for you just like you cannot say what is truth for another.
We can and should have the ability to share our opinions with others and read about theirs and comment without being rude, mean or disrespectful.
Thanks Gifted, nice to see and hear from you again :-)
joan

DruidsGlenTarot

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Saturday, September 13, 2008 7:06 AM

Gifted11, I love how you mention the phoney part.

justaskdrdonna

# re: Oh Boy this is going to be a LONG pre-election campaign.... @ Saturday, September 13, 2008 1:25 PM

Askdrdonna: Now that you mention what others are mentioning, I am bothered and concerned that you keep mentioning lies in all or certainly the majority of your responses on my blog, I do not care too much for the inference...
joan

Druidsglentarot

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